While everything in EVE has *some* boring aspects, mining is the only thing that is nothing but a boring aspect.

Besides, I just bump and gank them because "I'm doing my part" to stop botting.

No, sitting in a belt pressing F1 every half an hour is actively not playing the game. Do try to keep up.

Ice mining is a tad higher cycle time than regular mining, you are aware?

*facepalm*

Look. Granted, I mis spoke slightly, but what I'm talking about is that you can fill your ore hold on one ice node, while you have to swap occasionally between actual asteroids.

My bad on that.

But Ice mining is:

One F1. Come back half an hour later, warp to station, unload, warp to belt, go back to step 1.

Yay so you're actually playing the game once every 15 minutes instead of half an hour.

Changes everything, now it's a shining example of engaging gameplay.

So, I realized that I judged the time based on my own skills, to fly a bait Procurer. I hadn't realized that anyone could actually train up all those ice mining skills without going insane from boredom.

I don't particularly have an issue with PI. Or with research, or any of that other stuff. Mostly because they aren't in open space while they do it. And also because people who do those things tend not to ***** and moan about how they should be safe in open space.

So you know what the difference is between a miner who is afk, and one who is botting? I sure don't. It's like the Pepsi Challenge.

"9 out of 10 Caldari Navy Antimatter shells can't tell the difference!"

If reporting them worked, we wouldn't have to gank them.

But not playing the game while logged in, in open space, and making money? That is not fine. It's actually far worse than mission running, despite how very bad that activity is for being engaging gameplay.

A miner doesn't even shoot anything, they just sit there. Like scenery.

Of course I try to kill them. Noticeable difference though, way more of them try to get away because they're actually at their keyboards. Bagged two Oracles in short succession with my SB character last week, though. Renters, yeesh.

Both warrant their destruction.

Of course it's hilarious and entertaining.

It just so happens that it is for a greater good.

We'll see about that, when prices shift because recycling isn't as profitable/industry relevant anymore as it used to be...

The greater good my a...

You are assuming that you are asking the question to the people you are shooting.

I like how the debate favors PvP and miners feel then need to weigh in...

they should scale with the inflation anyway, right?

Well, all areas are currently ahead of tears. Mining is just staggeringly so.

So, tell me how Eve is about PvP again?

If you guys wanted a clear indication of what makes eve tick, I'd say miners do. Carebear miners at that.

I'm surrounded by idiots.

Maybe you don't know how to use a website. It's right there, and the stats are visible if you click on the magic banner that leads to new places.

Or maybe you don't know math. 50 is greater than 30, and so on.

Or maybe, just maybe, you are just a troll....but come on, try harder.

I don't need to produce any, when I linked you to it. It's not my fault you are unable to think and click on the right button.

So here, out of the kindness of my heart, to those who are handicaped, I produced a link for you. (more like copypasta but whatever, you couldn't do it)

http://www.eveonline.com/11/?utm_source=eveonline.com&utm_medium=banner&utm_content=11th%20anniversary&utm_campaign=11th%20anniversary

(psst 41.43%>28.77%, even if you take into consideration the base number. Completion to goal is what's being measured here)

One would imagine it's based on an average amount per hour. However, like subscription numbers, CCP has not released these.

I think though the point being that not only have carebears pulled other and mined more, but every single other group has also gotten their shite together and done more.

Thus far, anyway.

By this logic you would expect bounties to be nearing completion first but theyre in the same boat as isk destroyed.

I doubt ccp just pulled numbers out of their ass seeing as how they have access to how much isk is earned/destroyed on an average day they probably took that number and added a % to it.

That would skew the numbers even more in favor of the ratters putting in more effort than miners.

average solo miner can pull about 3k+ / minute.

Then they should probably stop botting so much.

If those guys are botting, then yeah, I agree.

I'm talking about the part where CCP says the vast majority of bots are found in highsec, and of those the majority are miners.

The vast majority of bots are in highsec.

I don't recall FW being heavily botted yet it had an even lower SP investment for significantly higher returns.

ftfy

Really though the ishtar doesn't even need to be botted, it practically bots itself.